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Tom C
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Top Israeli soccer team adds "Trump" to its name

Top israeli football team adds "Trump" to its name.

Lol. Not "drumf", not "trumpswap," but "Trump"

... And the sound you hear is leftie heads exploding.

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Lol.

Lol.

Good for them. Now they can get fat and declare bankruptcy a couple of times to complete the homage.

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No Democrats attended the

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No Democrat attended the

No Democrat attended the embassy opening - even though the original bill to move the embassy received 95 votes in the Senate.

Instead, the Democrats are seen to support Hamas, which is attempting to plant bombs in Gaza, and shoot at Israeli forces, with predictable results.

The leftie Trump hate - against evidence to the contrary - has become so irrational that it will either collapse or result in increasing insanity.

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A handful of children got

A handful of children got their heads shot off today. Fifteen hundred shot and fifty dead so far in total. With all the bombings and shootings that these Palestinian terrorist hordes were undertaking, how many Israeli soldiers were killed today, Tom Christian? What was the “predictable” part, exactly?

Oh, yah: Trump preens and puffs up his feathers stateside, Bibi gets to order target practice, Arabs die. Win, win, win! Right, Tom Christian?

Why wouldn’t anyone want to be a part of that celebration?

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You fool. Do you think the

You fool. Do you think the Israelis are deliberately killing children? The fact is Hamas, who the lefties love so much, are using children as human shields, cowardly hiding behind those children trying to get sympathy for martyring those chikdren - while shooting at the IDF trying to get them to return fire.

I blame the deaths of those children on the foolish encouragement given Hamas by the leftie crowd, and those who hate decency.

Damn those cretins.

What would Jesus do? He'd say it would be better for them if a millstone was tied around their necks, then to do what they do.

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Tom C speaks for Jesus now?

Tom C speaks for Jesus now? That's like Brucie speaking for Webster. Bwahahaha.

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Jesus' words speak for

Jesus' words speak for themselves perfectly clearly on the matter.

I blame the stupid sentiment of both you and Matt for encouraging the vile Hamas for deliberately drawing fire onto those children.

Lefties are purposely bring on the deaths of those children solely to advance their own political causes.

Disgusting.

And the world sees this exactly for what it is.

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They’ve been holding the

They’ve been holding the Palestinians economic hostage, and stealing land, for decades. How dare those arabs protest!

Might as well shoot A THOUSAND of them. Of course, if a kid gets shot, it’s the liberals’ fault.

Who’s the fool?

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Nonsense. Palestinians have

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Nonsense. Palestinians have

Nonsense. Palestinians have been offered homeland areas time and time again. They refuse to accept that Israel has a right to exist. Palestinian terrorists have been behind hundreds, if not thousands, of terrorist incidents killing civilians.

There is no doubt that the the Palestinians are now using children as human shields in a pathetic attempt to try to sway world opinion.

And the lefties and the leftie press are encouraging them in that regard.

Hamas is a terrorist group. The lefties feigned outrage at the Israelis during these incidents is disingenious, despicable, and makes the lefties accessories to the killing of these children.

And its easy enough to see that.

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I saw "Palestinians" throwing

I saw "Palestinians" throwing fire bombs, other projectiles, and attempting to break through the border. In other words, they attacked Israel. Anybody want to guess how many dead Israeli civilians there would have been had they broken through? How many "Palestinians" would have died if they had not been driven by their corrupt leadership to attack the Israelis? How about zero?

But apparently we're supposed to believe that the aggressors are the victims...

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Many Palestinians in Gaza

Many Palestinians in Gaza live in poverty, and this recent clash threatens to collapse their health system.

Meanwhile Hamas is spending $100 million on military - including rockets, pay for soldiers and infiltrating tunnels.

This fiasco was orchestrated by them.

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I agree with Matt that it's

I agree with Matt that it's unfortunate that the fatality results from the Gaza protests are so lopsided in favor of the Israelis.

Perhaps if Hamas had better armaments, they could inflict a few casualties on the Israelis. But the downside of that hypothetical would be to turn their abundant stock of unemployed youth into real cannon fodder. From the Hamas perspective, I suppose it's all eggs and omelets, but stll unlikely to fix the lopsided problem despite more fatalities.

I think a better tactic to satisfy Matt and me would have the Israelis sending a few of their troops into the Palestinian line-of-fire to gin up the Israeli casualty count. This adroit tactic would tend to balance the sympathy-generating publicity that's so lopsided in favor of the Palestinians.

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Myopic Mike,

Myopic Mike,

That was really funny. You have a gift.

Given your ability to see things from multiple perspectives, please give us your take on why you think Palestinians might be pissed—with the Jerusalem embassy, and more generally, how they ended up in the landless state they find themselves in.

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Thanks, Matt. I'm glad you

Thanks, Matt. I'm glad you appreciated the humor.

Given your ability to see things from multiple perspectives, please give us your take on why you think Palestinians might be pissed—with the Jerusalem embassy, and more generally, how they ended up in the landless state they find themselves in..

As I'm sure you know, this is a topic on which thousands of words have been written on AMG, and hundreds of them written by me.;

In short, I see Palestinian popular frustration arising from the failure of the Palestinian Authority to establish itself as an agency sufficiently representative to negotiate terms of governance with Israel. There are many long-standing and complicated reasons for this.

This thread is ten years old, but not much has changed:

http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/israel-and-palestine-why-issue-so-dif...

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In looking at a couple of

In looking at a couple of pages of that thread, it’s pretty clear you think that the nakba of 1948 isn’t real, or is irrelevant, or not quite as unjust as Arab sympathizers make it out to be.

If you can’t acknowledge that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forcibly kicked out of what had been their home for years, then there’s nothing to talk about. Willful ignorance is difficult to overcome.

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In looking at a couple of

In looking at a couple of pages of that thread, it’s pretty clear you think that the nakba of 1948 isn’t real, or is irrelevant, or not quite as unjust as Arab sympathizers make it out to be.

Well, which is it? If it's "pretty clear" what I think, why can't you figure out what I think?

If you can’t acknowledge that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forcibly kicked out of what had been their home for years, then there’s nothing to talk about. Willful ignorance is difficult to overcome.

I know the thread I cited is very long, but before you determine what I "can't acknowledge" why don't you do a bit more research?

As usual, you treat individuals as caricatures, i.e. "morons.". You can't be bothered to learn what someone else thinks - you're really not interested - because you think you're qualified to judge others based on your presumption of superiority. Bigotry.

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Here’s what vikingstar wrote

Here’s what vikingstar wrote back then, in response to Palestinians getting thrown out:

“Wrong. A whole lot of land the Jews occupied was empty, and they bought a whole lot more of it, and some of it they won defending themselves against attack.... This argument (the Jews stole the land) presuposes that a lot of those "Palestianians" had a prior claim top the land, when in reality many of them had been thrown out the surrounding nations, and were no more "Palestianian" than Arafat the Egyptian.“

To which Emike immediately responds “I agree with vikingstar’s response.”

You’re also so bigoted and myopic yourself that you classify any call to understand Palestianian claims as coming from a starting point of moral equivalency. It’s the Emike song and dance: dismissing arguments he disagrees with beneath a guise of reason. Emike is the one who knows. Other perspectives are flawed from the get go.

So tired.

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Here’s what vikingstar wrote

Here’s what vikingstar wrote back then, in response to Palestinians getting thrown out:

Vikingstar's statement is factually correct.

Here's the part you omitted in your convenient ellipsis [in bold]:

quoteA whole lot of land the Jews occupied was empty, and they bought a whole lot more of it, and some of it they won defending themselves against attack.

It doesn't matter that the U.N. sanctioned this and called for a two state solution that the Palentinians and other Arab leaders rejected.

They rejected it because they decided to exterminate the Jews. This argument (the Jews stole the land) presuposes that a lot of those "Palestianians" had a prior claim top the land, when in reality many of them had been thrown out the surrounding nations, and were no more "Palestianian" than Arafat the Egyptian.Endquote.

To which Emike immediately responds “I agree with vikingstar’s response.”

Right. In the events following World War II and attending the creation of Israel, forced migration occurred throughout the Middle East, mostly the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries. It's possible that some Palestinians were also forcibly removed, but by far most chose to leave the territory that became Israel becasuse they didn't want to live in a Jewish state.. No one forced the resident Palestinians to pack up and go.

You’re also so bigoted and myopic yourself that you classify any call to understand Palestianian claims as coming from a starting point of moral equivalency.

Really? I "classify any call to understand Palestinian claims as coming from a starting point of moral equivalency"? Help me out here! What do I mean? And why is it "bigoted and myopic"?

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And why is it "bigoted

And why is it "bigoted

Because you disagree with a liberal who doesn't have a decent response to you.

You're also "hateful."

... And "Islamophobic."

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Matt, you're not only a troll

Matt, you're not only a troll, you're intellectually dishonest. You cherrypicked a quote from me, totally ignoring the context of all the preceding posts, and even then you couldn't quote me accurately. No wonder you rely exclusively on insults and slurs--you have nothing else.

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Hey dummy, myopic mike’s a

Hey dummy, myopic mike’s a priori position is that someone who says that Palestinian grievances need to be understood must be working from moral equivalency, which is BS.

He also thinks that most Palestinians voluntarily left behind their homes and jobs, with no place to go. Completely laughable. If Israeli soldiers start killing your neighbors, and you flee, you’re “choosing” to leave, according to Mike’s impeccable logic.

The Jewish/Palestinian conundrum is not an easy one to figure out, obviously. But the dipshits here make it seem pretty simple. It’s civilized people versus barbarians.

Clearly, displaced Jews deserved (and deserve) a place to call their own. But if you can’t acknowledge the reality of the injustices done against Palestinians in the founding of the state and the ongoing process, you’re arguing from a point of willful ignorance.

Mike focuses in on eBay he wants to see.

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Like I said, given the very

Like I said, given the very long thread you obviously didn't bother to read much, "intellectually dishonest".

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Hey dummy, myopic mike’s a

Hey dummy, myopic mike’s a priori position is that someone who says that Palestinian grievances need to be understood must be working from moral equivalency, which is BS

You claim to know my "a priori position" and I don't even understand it myself! Maybe if you could quote something I wrote to illustrate your meaningless indictment, we'd all understand what you're trying to say.

He also thinks that most Palestinians voluntarily left behind their homes and jobs, with no place to go. Completely laughable.

As it happens, I do generally think this, except for the "no place to go" part. Many Palestinians sold their land to Jewish immigrants, many left because they didn't want to live with Jews, and many were misled by the Arab Liberation Army to believe that they'd return as soon as Israel was defeated.

If Israeli soldiers start killing your neighbors, and you flee, you’re “choosing” to leave, according to Mike’s impeccable logic.

In 1948, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria, and Egypt invaded Israel, forcing it into a defensive war for survival. Some Palestinians were displaced. Obviously, this is Israel's fault.

The Jewish/Palestinian conundrum is not an easy one to figure out, obviously.

You seem to have brought penetrating insight to the topic..

But the dipshits here make it seem pretty simple. It’s civilized people versus barbarians.

There you go again. You can't resist abandoning your argument to take a cheap shot at nameless morons or dipshits or other strawmen.

Clearly, displaced Jews deserved (and deserve) a place to call their own. But if you can’t acknowledge the reality of the injustices done against Palestinians in the founding of the state and the ongoing process, you’re arguing from a point of willful ignorance.

Who can't acknowledge the reality of injustices? Which strawman, moron, or dipshit are you talking about this time?

Mike focuses in on eBay he wants to see.

How did you guess that? As it happens, I'm shopping there for new dentures.

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Matt -

Matt -

Your train-of-thought has become apparent in this thread. You seem to be arguing that because the Palestnian residents of what became the state of Israel suffered various injustices some seventy years ago, today's Palestinians are justified in resentment of Israel or - perhaps - making unspecified claims on Israel.

Since we're reviewing previous discussions on AMG, here's a link to a "right of return" thread. Perhaps you'll find it interesting. Perhaps you can mine it for "gotcha" quotes.

http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/other-side-right-return

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