Bundy case dismissed with prejudice

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Tom C
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Bundy case dismissed with prejudice

U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro said a new trial would not be sufficient to address the problems in the case and would provide the prosecution with an unfair advantage going forward. She dismissed the charges against the four men "with prejudice," meaning they cannot face trial again.

Cliven Bundy to walk free as federal judge dismisses Bundy Ranch standoff case

For those following this case, this is very good news. I can't imagine what Bundy's legal fees will be.

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Like many other things we won

Like many other things we won't pay them or others will for him making them something for free!
Sound familiar?

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That IS great news! Chock one

That IS great news! Chock one up for the welfare ranchers! Is there a crowdfunding site where I can help put gas in their F350s? Maybe buy them some more flannels and a new belt buckle?

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Diesel, Mat. Any rancher

Diesel, Mat. Any rancher worthy of his spurs is running diesel.

Cliven Bundy beat the goons because he was right.

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If you didn't like all those

If you didn't like all those hippie protest and occupations during anti war era in 60's , ones love for the Bundys' is hypocritical !

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Evidence seems clear that our

Evidence seems clear that our government acted illegally, incompetently and with extreme bias against the Bundys. This is another case whereby the law enforcement section of our country is out of control.

I think Bruce is wrong. This is American law enforcement attacking and prosecuting Americans...illegally Not the same as the sappy peace-nicks spitting on our soldiers.

That being said, he did disobey the law for rather specious reasons and should be held to some punishment for those acts. None of this should have risen to armed forces invading the family. We are talking about cows eating grass here...not hiding and destroying treasonous emails, allowing 4 Americans to die in Benghazi and lie about it and running a criminal enterprise.

Bundy is freed

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I think I am right.It was

I think I am right.It was about breaking laws.
Your correct none of this should have risen to armed forces.
Who invited all the armed forces to the event?

The tactics used were exactly the same .

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Laws, Bruce said.

Laws, Bruce said.
This happened because Bundy broke laws.
Should I remind you that at the other end of the spectrum, there were NO laws broken when the Germans rounded up the Jews simply because the laws were changed.
Cliven Bundy became a law breaker when the BLM changed the laws.
Those laws were changed at the behest of Dirty Harry Reid in order for his offspring to be able to profit from his Chinese solar farm deals.
Bundy was the last of dozens of ranchers who, in good faith built their businesses and lives on that supposed good faith in the Federal Government only to be driven out of business by said government.

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Many politicians are just

Many politicians are just criminals who legalize the commission of their crimes by enacting, changing, nullifying, or eviscerating laws.

Their actions remain immoral and corrupt... but they're legal. That's the only definition of "good" that lawyers still recognize.

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The most eloquent statement

The most eloquent statement that can be used about this is the invocation of a Nazi regime analogy.
I have ever agreed with the laws just disagree with the tactics used by the Bundys'.

P.S. Does the Nazi comparison apply to Oregon as well ?

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Any time the federalis lose

Any time the federalis lose one of their jack-boot operations it is a good thing. They lose very few and apparently the only place you can come to a draw is in the west,

The Feds are way too big for their britches and need to be knocked down where ever they can by brave principled persons, many of course call them ignorant outlaws, but so many will walk to the cattle car.

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WOW

WOW
Two Nazi analogies in one thread.

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Bruce

Bruce

We aught to talk to the people in Iraq and Libya and Syria, Northern Africa , those invading Europe, The federalies too big for their britches and Their DEBT.

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When the federal government

When the federal government arms their supposed public servants and they in turn act like jack booted thugs, then, yes the German analogy does apply.
Lavoy Finicum was murdered by our government, pure and simple.

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And when Michael Brown was

And when Michael Brown was murdered turds like you jumped on the “he was no choirboy” bandwagon.

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Levoy was a man of his word.

Levoy was a man of his word. He did what he said he would do , for the cause .

He committed suicide by cop IMO.

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"And when Michael Brown was

"And when Michael Brown was murdered turds like you jumped on the “he was no choirboy” bandwagon."

Says a person who is mainly composed of and has intimate knowledge of "turds"...

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Matt

Matt

I'd say there is a bit of difference between the random murder of citizens by LEOs like Brown and the standoffs of Bundy and Finicum and past Federal "standoffs"..

The various standoffs in the past that turds like me that show the heavy boot of government are more political in nature, while the murder of Brown and other citizens are mostly a result of trigger happy LEOs.

The recent Swatting call that led to a dead Wichita Kansas citizen, just another example how some LEOs shoot first and ask questions later, mostly by their labor union lawyers. Saw the MSM was aghast that the family blamed the LEO besides the swat caller for the killing.

No one set up an ambush for Brown or the Kansas citizen, they were just shot down for being in the right place at the right time and the LEO had to go home at night.

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So Mike G, you're saying that

So Mike G, you're saying that an LEO that is attacked by a 6'5" 280 pound man who tries to steal his gun and causes it to fire inside the vehicle and is then charged by the same man is supposed to stand there and be tackled by him instead of defending himself? There are instances of trigger happy cops, but any objective examination of the Michael Brown case would conclude that was not one of them. Even the crooked Obama "Justice" department couldn't railroad the cop in that one.

Un freaking believable that anyone could still hold that opinion.

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Mainelion

Mainelion
It is particularly difficult given where Smegmas' II head is usually !

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Hence his constant referral

Hence his constant referral to feces.
It's all he can see.

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Mainelion

Mainelion

I really didn't follow the Ferguson fiasco in depth, LEOs killing citizens has become so common and accepted by society, that I just shrug them off as do many, as who the hell knows what happened. Seems if there isn't a video its a he said she said.

I was trying to make the point to Matt that standoffs between groups and the government are calculated confrontations that the government takes as an assault on their power, which of course, is what it is.

Some LEO shooting an individual is just the interaction between a citizen and small segment of the local police, either singularly or a small group of LEOs.

I've noticed that the number of citizens killed has spiked, while LEO deaths are at a new low, just ask Wichita.

Those individual shootings are not typically planned in advance, scripted and produced for public consumption by the federal government.

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Eyewitnesses, both black and

Eyewitnesses, both black and white, testified under oath that Brown attacked the officer in his car, striking him and the physical evidence showed that he attempted to take his gun and that the gun went off. He then began to leave, but as the officer got out of his car, Brown charged the officer at which point he was shot.

That's why even the crooked Obama "justice" department couldn't force a conviction, although they did manage to ruin the cops life.

Now that you know what the eyewitnesses, both black and white, testified to under oath, don't you feel like a fool for using the Brown case as an example of police shooting innocent citizens?

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Mike G

Mike G
"I've noticed that the number of citizens killed has spiked,"

Because number of persons using guns illegally have spiked.

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Bruce

Bruce

Wichita didn't have a gun < I'd say what we have is a high degree of paranoia and the continual training that the most important part of LEO training is getting home safely. Citizens are not citizens but are potential killers, in fact exactly like soldiers view persons in war zones.

It would be interesting to see how many LEO shootings are done by veterans of our foreign wars.

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Mike G

Mike G
Your points have reached a point where they are self defeating.

Actually there is a great amount pf rhetoric from various sectors that contribute to the problem.

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Really Bruce

Really Bruce

Getting out the spoon?

Who, or whom would know, you bucking for Naran's Job?

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My opinion that is all.

My opinion that is all.
Only thing might be bucking for is some points that are accurate and backed up by real substance.

The real refuge is not the poor attempt of a insult.
By the way if you had a problem with the past moderator I do not remember you stating it in past.

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Mark Steyn's summary of the

Mark Steyn's summary of the case...

On one side was a collection of dangerous, out-of-control armed men who were deliberately provocative, prone to saying unhinged things in a single-minded quest to destroy their enemies, and who lied time and again to cover their misdeeds.

On the other side was Cliven Bundy.

Link here

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God article .

God article .
I stand by my belief that ,there was wrong on both sides.
The article addresses essentially what was the end of an event .
I do agree the entire issue of federal lands should be addressed.
It was a good account of the Nevada events. The article does not say much about Oregon.
Yes,they beat the charges, actually they had a sympathetic jury,which is ok that is how
the system sometimes works.
Instead of a senseless Nazi example I will offer ,think OJ Simpson, different events same process.
I suspect if BLM was taken out of picture or any other part of Federal government and locals was given absolute authority over
lands, the same issues would again ,as would their behaviors.

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From Mainelion's link:

From Mainelion's link:

"President Trump should break up the BLM. Why should Dan Love have his own sh*thole country?"

Touché, baby!

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